Vacation - Day 2

Day two wasn’t nearly as productive as Day 1.

I spent most of yesterday between projects, contemplating (or procrastinating?) what to do next. In-between these long periods of silence I had several short bursts of efficiency, primarily finishing up some framing details in the kitchen. Both the baking area and the breakfast nook now have their lowered ceilings framed in, and the back wall of the bathroom is framed in.

One of the items I spent time contemplating about is the toilet for our half bath. Everything was going well with the half bath until we chose a toilet. I had figured that a 10” rough-in (the space from the wall to the drain) would be just fine – there are plenty of toilets designed for a 10” rough-in. Of course the toilet we like, the Toto Aquia, only comes in a 12” rough-in model. It’s all very confusing because most of the Toto-brand toilets are compatible with an adapter that makes a 12” model work with a 10” rough-in, or vice versa. This is a new model toilet and there’s no information on the entire Internet about it being compatible with the adapter. So, it looks as if I’ll have to rework the drain so that it’s another two inches out from the wall.

The other issue is that this toilet doesn’t install like a traditional toilet. Traditional toilets are secured to the floor using two bolts that are secured to the flange, which is screwed to the floor. It appears that this toilet, like other Toto toilets, has additional bolts that screw into the floor. This presents a problem because of the decision I made to route all of our radiant floor tubing through the bathroom floor to the manifold which sits behind the toilet. From what I can tell, two of the bolts would go directly through one of my tubes. I’m starting to think that running the tubes so close to the toilet wasn’t such a great idea.

Of course, while other Toto brand toilets have installation instructions available on the website, this one doesn’t. Blah.

We have a couple of choices. 1) Buy the toilet and figure out how to install it without interfering with the radiant tubing. 2) Choose a different toilet.

It seems like an obvious choice (#2, right?). But here’s the thing – I’m really gung ho about this toilet. It’s a dual-flush toilet which means that yellow stuff goes down with .9 gallons of water, and the brown stuff goes down with 1.6 gallons. That figures to something like a 20% water savings, which is cool. There are only a few of these dual flush jobs on the market (at least, in the U.S., they’re ubiquitous in Europe and elsewhere…) and we didn’t really like the other brands.

Thinking about the toilet got me thinking about the sink. We need a SMALL sink, because this is a SMALL bathroom. I started searching the Internet and came up with a few that will work, but the one I like the most I found this morning (officially on Day 3…). The only problem with this one is that it costs $2800, and that certainly will NOT work.

Note that it’s made out of wood. I’m thinking I could make one of these…

9 Comments

  1. Trissa·November 23, 2005

    I know you can make that sink! The big question is how long it would take. I think it would look cool with the rest of the woodwork in the house…

  2. Greg·November 23, 2005

    That is one nice sink, but man, $2800!!

    Are you concerned with the radiant tubes melting the wax gasket for the toilet? I’m going to be doing radiant floor heat for both bathrooms and I read 2 books by Dan Holohan from HeatingHelp.com and this was one of the things he warned about.

  3. Nick·November 23, 2005

    Geehz, Greg. I wasn’t concerned about that until now! That could very well be a problem - I’m gonna have to think about this…

  4. Greg·November 23, 2005

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to stress you out about it. The book says, “Never install tubing right next to toilet wax gasket”. How far away is “right next to” I can’t say. It says there is a company called Predco (800-323-6188) that makes a product called Ultra Seal. It is a PVC gasket which is resistant to heat. It also says to be careful in the kitchen. Don’t install Pex under the refrigerator or under cabinets that will store food.

  5. Nick·November 23, 2005

    Ultra Seal it is then! I knew about the kitchen stuff - no need to heat the cabinets or refrigerator.

  6. kim·November 26, 2005

    Greg beat me to the wax ring warning. Fluidmaster also sells a no-wax thingy which I highly recommend anyway because, unlike with wax, you can reposition the toilet if you don’t get it right the first time.

  7. Ethan Goldman·January 4, 2006

    The GreenSpec product directory lists several more dual-flush toilets in CSI#> 15413 that might work for you. Note that you will need to subscribe (only $12.95 for one-week access) to view all the listings.

    I appreciate the link to our article about the Toto toilet, but would request that you not use the image file by referencing the file on our web site. Please copy the image and host it on your own server.

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  8. AFanter·January 5, 2006

    That is a very cool sink (and toilet). Who makes that. I know I couldnt possibly make that but I would love to have that sink installed. Awesome!

  9. Charles·March 10, 2009

    That sink is awesome.What type of basin was used? I really like the faucet coming out of the wall look, and the toilet is cool too. Great job